Palmer: public protector or party pooper?

By Amy Williams | View Archive August 19th, 2009, 1:11 pm
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Nobody likes a bad drunk. Drunk people can be smelly, noisy and tend to expel bodily fluids without warning. Get a drunken mob together and you have the potential for danger.

We have a binge-drinking culture in New Zealand. It's not a good thing, no matter how much we laugh it off and boast about how wasted we were last night, how we don't even remember anything and woke up on someone else's front lawn.

Change is needed, but tougher legislation alone is not going to fix the issue. (Although I do agree with a zero-tolerance approach to drink-drivers.) We've got to get it through our thick heads (in our own time) that our drinking habits are unhealthy and a bit pointless. You can't just tell people that they're being very naughty and it has to stop. They'll just laugh you off and order another round.

Having said all that, I don't think the majority of New Zealanders drink to excess every single time we go out. Is there anything wrong with getting a little bit squiffy on an occasional night out? Not blind drunk, just... jolly. Is that so wrong?

Sir Geoffrey Palmer, who headed the Law Commission's review into alcohol in New Zealand, reckons it's got to the point where it should be illegal to be drunk in public.

Palmer says being found drunk in a public place should be an infringement offence, punishable by a fine.

He's open on whether the law would include drunk and disorderly behaviour (which I was pretty sure was already an offence) or only being drunk, and police would have discretion whether to charge someone or not.

Now, first of all, I'd like to hear what Palmer defines as a public place. Is a bar defined as a public place, or a privately owned business? A drunk person can be just as annoying to other patrons inside a pub, after all. But if not, what happens if he or she leaves an establishment and has to walk along the street (in public) to find transport home? Does that mean a crime is being committed?

Secondly, surely if someone is only 'being drunk' and not causing any kind of a scene, there can be no objections to their continued presence in a public place? Palmer says police can use their discretion as to whether or not they charge someone. What if they charge someone with drunkenness and the charge is disputed - are we going to start breath-testing pedestrians to determine whether or not they're allowed to be out?

Banning alcohol and the drinking thereof in central public areas is one thing. But telling people they're not allowed to move from one place to another if they've had one too many - even if they're committing no crime - is completely over the top.

What really gets me is that Palmer calls the amount of police resources used policing our "late night" culture "truly astonishing". But his plan would drastically increase the workload of a police force already spread thin.

What would it achieve? A few problem drunks might be apprehended more quickly, and CBD shopkeepers would probably be very happy if there were fewer suspicious puddles and piles of litter outside their businesses every morning.

But it would also increase the number of average, otherwise law-abiding citizens who have a negative view of police, and who think the 'pigs' are spoiling their (mainly harmless) fun in what looks more than anything like another revenue-gathering exercise.

Comments

  1. tesmah2001 View Profile

    Amy, why don't you ride in a police car from midnight to 6am on a Saturday or Sunday morning and then let us know if you want to change anything you say in this column. Also, have a think about your statement, "We've got to get it through our thick heads (in our own time) that our drinking habits are unhealthy . . ." How much damage, unwanted pregnancy, fights, physical damage and deaths are tolerable while we wait for people to get it? Look forward to hearing about your fi

    Aug 19 02:48 pm
  2. angelene_01 View Profile

    why do people drink so much? there is no reason, except irrespnsibility. Get a ife losers. I say do it! Make it illegal to be drunk anywhere in NZ, not just public places!

    Aug 19 03:21 pm
  3. stables78 View Profile

    Man! I think we are turning into England! a Bloody Nanny state.

    Aug 19 04:52 pm
  4. rickjs22 View Profile

    Work a job I do every Sunday morning and deal with 16, 15 and even 14 year olds 'just' being drunk but still quite sure of what their "rights" are and you might change your mind. And maybe wonder what their parents are doing while they are out drunk in a CBD @ 2 or 3am. Who supplies these kids and what are their parents doing about it?

    Aug 19 06:05 pm
  5. barnetttrevor37 View Profile

    ABOUT TIME THE PROBLEM IS OUT OF HAND AND UNFORTUNATELY THE VAST MAJORITY OF NEW ZEALANDERS ONCE AGAIN HAVE TO CARRY THE CAN FOR THE MINORITY WHO CANNOT AND WILL NOT CONTROL THEIR URGE TO BOOOOOOOOOOOZE.

    Aug 19 06:49 pm

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